Many of you understand the full nature of this Venus Retrograde. It is interesting in the last weeks how many men and women have surfaced with relationship issues about those in their past. "Four years later, I am dreaming of him. Will he contact me?".
Venus retrogrades are just made for processing past relationships. Also sometimes in present relationships, there will be disclosure, sometimes inadvertent to one person's intent or motivation.
I am going to start with discussing certain aspects of our charts which reveal a problem in how we relate. Once we acknowledge the liability, we can then process it and heal. Many people do not understand they can work through a hard aspect. That experience brings one closer to fulfilling the higher meaning of our charts.
How the sun(man) and the moon(woman) in an individual's chart interact speaks about what is going on within that person. Often those with a relationship issue have their moon sign behind their sun. An example would be Sun in Pisces with a Moon in Aquarius.
When this occurs there will be a problem with relationships. If we use the sun sign as the first house, the moon lands in the solar twelfth house. The twelfth house is secrets and sorrows, also hidden matters. It is the house of the unconscious and subconscious. ( It also means a lot more but not relevant at this point).
Usually when a planet falls into the twelfth house, somehow the nature of how this planet impacts that person is not clear, especially to that person. For instance, mars is anger. I had a woman who had a lot of anger but did not see it. You could hear it in her voice. It manifested dealing with her husband and other people. I tried to explain it to her, and she screamed that she had no anger or hostility. Of course.
Needless to say it can be hard to tell the person in question about an unknown issue. The good news is when similar events or people keep coming to a person, then they have a better chance of seeing the issue.
When the sun is in the first, the moon is in the twelfth house or the moon sign is behind the sun sign...the person is not in contact usually with their feelings. There can be tremendous acting out. The intent of the sun action gets smacked by the hidden moon issues as well.
If a person is a woman, and she has her sun in Pisces. She is likely to choose a man who is emotional, perhaps addictive, maybe needy. Remember, as an aside the Pisces fish swims in two directions. If she is evolved or the sun and moon are well placed in the chart, she might choose a very spiritual, devoted loving man. That is not the case with a Pisces sun-Moon in Aquarius combo.
With the Moon(her) in the sign behind the Sun,in Aquarius as in the example, the woman would be intrinsically independent, be a great friend, but could not tolerate a needy or clingy man. Here is the problem. Also she might not really be conscious of her emotional nature and blame the guy for the issues. "He was so co-dependent". " I could not breath, he was so needy". "I was trying to help him, I thought he would become more independent."
In a relationship context, the man she would choose and want..would not work with her Aquarius nature. Thus, there would be an inevitable blowout, over and over.
This schism would need processing in order to get past that problem. Her attraction would not change and her needs would not either, but her tolerance and acceptance of not only the chosen man but of her self would. Thus making relating easier. She would grow. She would learn to relate within her parameters.
A similar situation sets up with the Moon in a sign and the sun in the sign behind it. Example: a Moon in Pisces and an Aquarius sun.
When the moon is in the twelfth house of a natal chart, it does cause also emotional issues to be resolved. That would be Pisces rising for instance and an Aquarius Moon. I often have seen that the people with set-ups like this refuse to process yet they badly want a relationship. Sadly they could not grasp their complete emotional nature to relate, it was never their problem.
If you are a man and have a combo as mentioned above, it would also be debilitating to relating. The woman you would choose would not work with the man you are.
If you have a set up as described and would like to post a comment, I would be pleased to discuss it with you here.
I will be doing other difficult sun and moon interactions in a chart in the next few blogs. Often an astrologer can tell the whole relationship history and possibilities just from a natal chart's two luminaries or planets.
Examples of this sun/moon combo would be..
Aries sun/ Moon in Pisces
Taurus sun/Moon in Aries
Gemini sun/Moon in Taurus
Cancer sun/Moon in Gemini
Leo sun/Moon in Cancer
Virgo sun/Moon in Leo
Libra sun/ Moon in Virgo
Scorpio sun/Moon in Libra
Sagittarius sun/Moon in Scorpio
Capricorn sun/Moon in Sagittarius
Aquarius sun/ Moon in Capricorn
Pisces sun/Moon in Aquarius
16 comments:
hi
i have a virgo sun/leo moon.
(i'm a libra rising. my sun and moon are both in the 11th house--if this makes any difference.)
what can you tell me?
thanks
:) Love your name. ;)
I am Aries Sun/Pisces Moon. (Cancer ascendant)
I would love a deeper understanding of how I might be sabotaging myself. It seems to be a revolving door of dating and I would really like to move to a NEW chapter in my love life. ;)
~ Jacqueline in Oregon
Bingo.
Aries Rising
Pisces Moon
Aquarian Sun
Lona:
A virgo sun would indicate you are attracted to logical, reliable earthy type men. Not with tremnendous dispaly of passion. Your Leo moon would hurt relating as you want drama, love and love to be shown off and taking out.
The type man you might choose or be attracted just could not fulfill this need. So you would have to proces it to make a relationship work.
A pisces moon woman, Jacqueline is emotional sensitive, deep, probably wants to help others, or might desire someone she could lean on. There is a lot of touchy and feely needs here. You would to be understood...and empathized with.
The type of man you would choose is an Aries type. Firey, a go getter, action, impulsive but quite possibility not able to nurture you the way you want. Have you experienced this conflict?
Bingo on my pisces moon, actually that whole first paragraph you wrote is spot on.
I keep accidentally dating men who are very closed off and it makes me feel insecure which makes me flip out occasionally.
My last guy was a Cancer with Aquarius rising and he was PERFECT for me in my need for a STRONG man with an intelligent silly side, but he was reserved in showing affection (not touchy feely enough) and he never shared a word of what was emotionally going on in his head despite my repeated requests to know how he felt about me.
I am trying to screen dating prospects to look for an Aries, Leo or Sagittarius guy. I think Cancer men are my krptonite.
I'm an Aries sun. But I don't always seem like an Aires since I have the S. Node in Aries too. I even had a good psyhic tell me I don't seem like an Aries. I told him my rising sign was Gemini and he told me that that was one of his guesses. I later told him that my moon is in Scorpio and he told me that us moon scorpions take everything too personally. LOL He was a quirky guy.
My ex boy was Gemini sun Cancer moon so he has a dark side(not the good kind), and was more minipulative than me! If I ever stuck up for myself, or confronted him on anything he would do anything to turn it around on me, and make me feel bad.
And I wonder if my Venus in Pisces is why I've been picking such losers who don't have jobs, & don't really do much to try and get one. I've read that Venus Pisces fall for underdogs.
Would a Sagittarius with an Aquarius moon count in this case? I realize that I quite often attract emotionally needy men who tend to express this emotional need by way of arrogance. Huge egos that hide a lack of self-confidence. Drives me nuts. I see them as weaker than myself.
Also, I'm extremely curious to read your post regarding the sun/moon placements for the men as I'm just coming off a most turbulent relationship with a Scorpio Sun/Libra Moon.
Insightful post all around.
Jacqueline:
This is when people get into trouble. Aries, or fire would not necessarily work.
First it is your issue to be worked out by you. You will always chase your tail until you do.
Before you decide you are dating, you need an astrologer to look at the two charts to see if they can work together.
Otherwise you are wasting your time and hurting yourself at the same time.
Obviously this was not true: Cancer with Aquarius rising and he was PERFECT for me in my need for a STRONG man
Rising is how you see yourself and how you project. It usually is off too--even when it is exact, exact...
The doctors and nurses are far more concern with the delivery and the health of the baby and mom..to look up at the clock. Sometimes in exact birth times...it is off by as much as 20 minutes...when rectified with solar arc progressions..(the only sure way to know).
Ascenndants are artifical points. Planets are up there. If the lumanaries do not gel, it will not be a successful time. Period.
Aquarius ascendant is problematic too. It is the sign before your Pisces moon, so his self-expression, the way he presented himself would not work.
What you are doing is choosing the wrong men to support to support your own inner battle. Stop acting out.
Mecca: Be more specific. Are you talking about a man? your chart? what?
Jacqueline
And Mecca:
Who are you to judge and why do you care about weak and strong? We all have wak areas.We all have strong areas. Is it relevant? I am not sure.
Is that right, is that wrong? I am not sure value judgments work at all..they aonly reveal what the person is about...the one speaking. what they fear, how they see themselves etc.
Jacqueline B.,
I'm sorry that my comments came across as judgemental because that wasn't the intention. I was making an attempt to explain that this issue of weak/strong, emotional/detached has been a problem between myself and the men I date. I am a Sagittarius sun with an Aquarius moon with big time commitment issues and a fear of intimacy, so when I wrote that I view emotionally needy men as weak, I meant that this is the recurring problem in my relationships, which seems to stem from my sun/moon placement among other things.
I thought I was a little tough on you myself. Your combo is not a problem in relating. Just know that is how you are. I am an air/fire combo too. I understand.
You need a free spirit man like you. Air/fire combo.
Still emotional men might "feel" needy to you but they are very powerful, they are able to express their emotional needs. Looking at men that way does not help. The men you have encountered are more open and ready to express their feelings than you. Does that make them weak?
In the same sense, you and I are weak. If we apply your judgments. We are scared of intimacy.
Those words -weak-strong mean nothing. But using them denotes an issue, a judgment...I did the same as you reversing your logic.
Those words mean nothing. Remember that. As you can tell. I reversed it on you.
You can make a case for anything.
The fact is they are bad words to have in our vocabulary. They prevent a real appreciation of others...because the words came from you, they are part of your thinking.
So stop and think deeply about the words you use. meanwhile honor your own free spirit when choosing men. But know your Cancers , Piscean etc are very loving and open people,
my name is Tina. I could use some help understanding why I am the way I am in relationships as well...I am sun in gemini, moon in Sag. and Taurus descendant. Stevens Point, Wisc. 7 june 1963 at 3:04 am. I have been married and divorced 3 times. @ of them were Pisces. Don't have any other info on their charts. Boths ended very badly. Both very manipulative, secretive, and selfish with mental abuse issues. Last man I was dating was a Scorpio. He also same problems as the 2 Pisces. Can you give me some insight please. Would appreciate...Thank you
Hi there Jacqueline!
I have a question about sun and moon relationships (I hope you're still answering!)
My sun is Aries and moon is Libra. (Cancer rising) Aren't those opposing signs? I'm either well-rounded or bipolar!
And am I right to back away slowly from my Scorpio sun and Scorpio moon guy? We have a lot of passion but seem to not know what to do with each other!
Thanks!
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